W3C

Web Services Addressing WG Teleconference

9 May 2005

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Rebecca Bergersen (IONA Technologies, Inc.)
Andreas Bjärlestam (ERICSSON)
Ugo Corda (SeeBeyond Technology Corporation)
Francisco Curbera (IBM Corporation)
Glen Daniels (Sonic Software)
Vikas Deolaliker (Sonoa Systems, Inc.)
Paul Downey (BT)
Michael Eder (Nokia)
Robert Freund (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Martin Gudgin (Microsoft Corporation)
Marc Hadley (Sun Microsystems, Inc.)
David Hull (TIBCO Software, Inc.)
Yin-Leng Husband (HP)
Anish Karmarkar (Oracle Corporation)
Paul Knight (Nortel Networks)
Philippe Le Hégaret (W3C)
Mark Little (Arjuna Technologies Ltd.)
Jonathan Marsh (Microsoft Corporation)
Nilo Mitra (ERICSSON)
David Orchard (BEA Systems, Inc.)
Mark Peel (Novell, Inc.)
Tony Rogers (Computer Associates)
Tom Rutt (Fujitsu Limited)
Katy Warr (IBM Corporation)
Steve Winkler (SAP AG)
Ümit Yalçınalp (SAP AG)
Absent
Abbie Barbir (Nortel Networks)
Dave Chappell (Sonic Software)
Jacques Durand (Fujitsu Limited)
Yaron Goland (BEA Systems, Inc.)
Arun Gupta (Sun Microsystems, Inc.)
Hugo Haas (W3C)
Amelia Lewis (TIBCO Software, Inc.)
Jeff Mischkinsky (Oracle Corporation)
Eisaku Nishiyama (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Ales Novy (Systinet Inc.)
Rich Salz (DataPower Technology, Inc.)
Davanum Srinivas (Computer Associates)
Jiri Tejkl (Systinet Inc.)
Steve Vinoski (IONA Technologies, Inc.)
Pete Wenzel (SeeBeyond Technology Corporation)
Prasad Yendluri (webMethods, Inc.)
Regrets
Chair
Mark Nottingham
Scribe
Michael Eder

Contents


Call for corrections to minutes.

Minutes from May 2 approved.

Review Action Items

Philippe: No w3c policy surrounding WSDL document split.
... there is a normative reference to WSDL 1.1 in the charter.
... During the member submission process, we received lots of requests for a WSDL 1.1. binding.
... if the working group really wants this change we need to discuss that within AC and AB.
... if the working group really wants this change we need to discuss that within AC and/or AB.

philippe: will cause a delay in any case

mark: sounds like a significant delay, if we choose to split the document

lc40

... extra question mark in example 31

jonathan:sections have been renumbered.

Close with no action.

lc41

<Marsh> Marc, I also see a typo in that 3.1 pseudo-syntax, last line: <wsa:ReferenceParameters>xs:any*</wsa:FaultTo>

<Marsh> closing tag name...

jonathan: values is correct
... recommends no change

<TonyR> makes sense to me

mark: close LC 41 with no action

lc42

mark: change order of abstract properties ... and will accept proposal

lc43

mark: Marc and will check this editorial
... already part of this taking care of

topic lc44

mark: recommends using OR

gudge: thinks it is correct

mark: accept

lc45

<plh-home> http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#References

mark: extra periods - some editorial issue to be resolved
... close with no action

lc47

mark: bad URLs

<mnot> ACTION: Editors to fix RFC3987 (in both Core and SOAP binding specs) (in both Core and SOAP binding specs) refrence (make it like the others) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-minutes.html#action01]

<marc> ACTION: Editors to fix typo in that 3.1 pseudo-syntax, last line: <wsa:ReferenceParameters>xs:any*</wsa:FaultTo> [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-minutes.html#action02]

mark: close with no action'
... lc47 will fix 1st URL

<plh-home> [[ <a name="WSDL20" id="WSDL20"></a>[WSDL 2.0]</dt>

<plh-home> <dd><cite><a href="">Web Services Description Language

<plh-home> 2.0</a></cite>, ]]

lc48

mark: might be fixed

lc49

mark: accepted

lc51

mark: accepted

lc52

mark: message ID vs. message ID
... use message cap. I cap. D
... lc42 43 48 49 51 accepted

lc53

mark: MAP and MEP should be introduced, WSDL comment

jonathan: Not use MAP

mark: expand MAP and MEP
... agreed
... Paul will respond to self

lc59

mark: no objection

lc63

<dhull> s/determine whether they should use/determine whether to use/

mark: Editorial suggestions accepted

topic lc64

Mark: Give to editors to deal with - accepted

lc67

mark: Last of the editorial work
... no objection - accepted

lc6 / lc35

<mnot> http://www.w3.org/mid/7DA77BF2392448449D094BCEF67569A507609918@RED-MSG-30.redmond.corp.microsoft.com

joathan: nothing really changed from his original proposal

mark: Jonathan answer to most people's questions

dhull: what are the current fault requirements

jonathan: we could define what a conformant reply would be
... suggests that David right up to a better discussion of endpoint performance

dhull: feels he has already done that

marc: once you start using any of the WS addressing structures you should conform to the specification

jonathan: if the message has any of the headers from the WS address space then we can assess the performance of the message
... what does it mean to check
... intention was to define what to return if you detect a specific error

dhull: agrees ... but it is not clear
... what behavior falls out after you clarify it

paco: for the sake of clarity likes Jonathan's proposal

dhull: going from ambiguous semantics to not ambiguous semantics requires changing the semantics

jonathan: does not feel it is necessary to change his proposal

dhull: have put together a proposal of how to solve this issue

umit: suggests that David write test proposals

<mnot> David's message: http://www.w3.org/mid/[email protected]

jonathan: he could augment his proposal

<uyalcina> +1 to Anish's suggestion

jonathan: conformance to the soap binding spec implies conformance to core as well

dhull: this would address some of his concerns about clarity

mark: Jonathan to make revision of his proposal - David should review it

<mnot> ACTION: Jonathan to revise proposal for LC6/LC35 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-minutes.html#action03]

jonathan: there are some must statements in the core, they can only be tested once you do SOAP binding

dhull: this may not be testable with a binding that is not soapy

lc20

mark: discussed in detail at the face-to-face

<mnot> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/5/04/19-ws-addr-minutes.html#item20

mark: what is the nature of the anonymous URI - no discussion on list

lc33

mark: combine Jonathan's and Marc's suggestions

<marc> ACTION: Marc to write back to Jonathan re issue 33 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-minutes.html#action04]

lc34

<mnot> http://www.w3.org/mid/[email protected]

jonathan: OK with Marc's suggestion

umit: should be role or ultimate receiver

marc: we should not qualify the receiver

anish: Role a node takes is an implementation issue

jonathan: safest is to say, all nodes are treated equally

mark: accept Jonathan's proposal - closed

<marc> ACTION: marc to respond to Jonathan re issue lc34 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-minutes.html#action05]

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Editors to fix RFC3987 (in both Core and SOAP binding specs) (in both Core and SOAP binding specs) refrence (make it like the others) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Editors to fix typo in that 3.1 pseudo-syntax, last line: xs:any* [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Jonathan to revise proposal for LC6/LC35 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Marc to respond to Jonathan re issue lc34 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Marc to write back to Jonathan re issue 33 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-minutes.html#action04]
 
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