Web Services Architecture Working Group
2002-03-28 meeting minutes

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[hugo]

hugo has changed the topic to: WSAWG telcon

Zakim, this is WS_ArchWG

[Zakim]

ok, hugo

[hugo]

Zakim, who is here?

[Zakim]

I see ??P0, ??P1, ??P2

[chris]

trouble dialing

zakim, Chris? is definitely me

zakim, definitely_me is me

[hugo]

just in case

IRC log: http://www.w3.org/2002/03/28-ws-arch-irc (HTML, text and RDF variants)

[chris]

agenda+ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-arch/2002Mar/0107.html

zakim, what's the agenda

[Zakim]

I don't understand 'what's the agenda', chris. Try /msg Zakim help

[chris]

zakim, agenda?

[Zakim]

I see 1 item on the agenda:

1. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-arch/2002Mar/0107.html [from chris]

[hugo]

Only 30 callers according to: http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/Zakim.html

[ roll call in progress ]

- will briefly discuss new process for meeting minutes [5]

(from the agenda)

[Henrik]

scribe begin

agenda review

agenda is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-arch/2002Mar/0107.html

EOB? no

3. Approval of February 21 Mar telcon minutes [2] (15.15 + 5)

mins at http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/2/03/21-minutes

Approve? yes

ACTION: Hugo?: post minutes to public page

[hugo]

sure

[Henrik]

4. Review action items [3] (15.20 + 5)

ACTION: Editors: Rename D-AG0006 into AG-0006: PENDING

DanielA: post issues list into CVS repository and post pointer to it; DONE

DONE: ACTION: Editors: include definition of web service and make it clear that it is an interim working definition and may change over time; PENDING

DONE: ACTION: Editors: include glossary definitions; PENDING

5. Status (15.25 + 10)

Logistics will be updated with latest information

Dinner on Tuesday may include DESP folks

ALso, shared dinner on Wednesday

Chris has posted agenda to member list - scribe can't find link

Discussion about potential dates for f2f in June

- Editing team report

[hugo]

I received email from Chris about agenda: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/wsawg-f2f-apr2002.html

[Henrik]

ok

[hugo]

I haven't had time to link it

[Henrik]

ACTION: Chris: Send email to public list asking for summary

6. Daylight Savings and Tel-con times (15.35 + 5)

DS is coming to a locale near you!

Plan is to do similar to XML Protocol - that is delaying the call by 30 mins

One person has a conflict

ACTION: Chris: figure out how to fix DS

7. Review of Requirements draft [4] (15.40 + 5)

Call to everybody to review the document

New input will be incorporated

plan is to go for publication April 1

8. Refine goals and objectives (15.45 + 40)

- DAG0010 [7]

DavidO: No particular discussion. Proposal for simplifying the text, a couple of positive responses to that proposal

Some of the wording "to the extend that it is reasonable/applicable etc. applies to all goals

Proposal is to close it with the simplified text

mark jones: How does this relate to whether XML is always appropriate?

[chris]

please use the speaker's queue (e.g. q+)

[Henrik]

DavidO: XML is the starting point - we can evaluate this for specific areas as need be

Chair: any decent? proposal accepted.

ACTION: DavidO: Send updated version to the public list and say that it was accepted

- DAG0013 [8]

[hugo]

Speaker is MikeM

[chris]

doug bunting

[hugo]

OK, I'm confused

[chris]

i misspoke when i asked for dag0011 which we covered last week

[hugo]

wasn't DAG0013 mine and DAG0014 Doug's? :)

[Henrik]

Proposal for converting 13 and 14

13 is about W3C coordination, 14 is about outside liasion

Objection raised: we have different relationship to W3C than with outside groups

Hugo discussed follow-up proposal that tries to make the destiction clear

Chair: any decent? proposal accepted.

[hugo]

new wording: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0459.html

[Henrik]

ACTION: Hugo, Doug: send new combined proposal for 13&14 to list and say that it was accepted

[dougb]

zakim, ??P26 is dougb

[Henrik]

- DAG0016 [10]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0414.html

Chris summarizes - not a lot of discussion on list

Hao He: this is quite important and we support it

hugo: what does "identify architectural and technology gaps that prevent interoperability" mean?

...discussion...

Chris: propose that we take 'interoperability' out but that we can still talk about gaps

DavidO: What is out process for dealing with a 'technology gap'?

[chris]

identify gaps in the architecture that are not addressed by existing technology and/or standards, recommend and scope formation of new WGs to address identified gaps

[Henrik]

point made: goal is for the WG and not for the architecture

discussion about 'gap' vs. 'component'

Zulah: proposal to split into two aspects: architecture vs. technology

Suresh: We are not building a house but logs or bricks

Daniel: We are talking about relationship of components and not get down to the components themselves

[chris]

identify components of the architecture that are not addressed by existing technology or standards, recommend and scope the formation of new WGs to address these

[Henrik]

Daniel: We have to in some manner to provide a process for identifying gaps and how to address them

DavidO: we should not just look at standards

Henrik: the process for addressing them is within the W3C dealt with by the W3C process

Katia: maybe we say "recommend appripriate action"

DavidO: part of the job is to figure out guidance for what charters may look like as for example starting points

ACTION: Chris (and Zulah): send proposed wording to list and take it to email

- DAG0017 [11]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0438.html

davidO: this doesn't seem to be goals but requirements

Daniel: seems vaque

(summarized by roger cutler)

Daniel: Maybe this is implicit in the other goals

Chris: maybe we should take this as input to the actual requirements

[chris]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0461.html

[TomCarrol]

Daniel thinks 17 should be subsumed under other goals as CSFs/requirements

[Henrik]

Chris: time is up

Take issue 17 back to the list

scribe: meeting adjurned

[hugo]

Zakim, please excuse us

RRSAgent, show action items

[RRSAgent]

I see 7 action items:

ACTION: Hugo?: post minutes to public page [1]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/03/28-ws-arch-irc#T20-17-22

ACTION: Editors: Rename D-AG0006 into AG-0006: PENDING [2]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/03/28-ws-arch-irc#T20-17-59

ACTION: Chris: Send email to public list asking for summary [3]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/03/28-ws-arch-irc#T20-23-39

ACTION: Chris: figure out how to fix DS [4]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/03/28-ws-arch-irc#T20-29-10

ACTION: DavidO: Send updated version to the public list and say that it was accepted [5]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/03/28-ws-arch-irc#T20-36-21

ACTION: Hugo, Doug: send new combined proposal for 13&14 to list and say that it was accepted [6]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/03/28-ws-arch-irc#T20-41-53

ACTION: Chris (and Zulah): send proposed wording to list and take it to email [7]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/03/28-ws-arch-irc#T21-18-25

[hugo]

RRSAgent, please excuse us

hmmm... let's try and fix that

[Henrik]

thanks, otherwise they don't work out of context

[hugo]

RRSAgent, action 4 = ACTION: DavidO: Send updated version of DAG0010 to the public list and say that it was accepted

I'm logging. I don't understand 'action 4 = ACTION: DavidO: Send updated version of DAG0010 to the public list and say that it was accepted', hugo. Try /msg RRSAgent help