IRC log of ws-cg on 2002-10-15

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[hugo]
Zakim, who is here?
[Zakim]
On the phone I see Dave_Hollander, ??P1, Kelvin, Hugo, Fallside
On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, DaveH, DavidF, hugo
[DavidF]
zakim, ??PP1 is addisson
[Zakim]
sorry, DavidF, I do not recognize a party named '??PP1'
[DavidF]
zakim, ??PP3 mikeC
[Zakim]
I don't understand '??PP3 mikeC', DavidF
[hugo]
Agenda at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Oct/0013.html
agenda+ Review action items
agenda+ Continued co-ordiantion discussion w/ Kelvin &/or Chris re. OASIS/W3C co-ordination
agenda+ Report from XML CG
agenda+ Status on choreography charter proposal from WS Arch
Zakim, list agenda
Zakim, what is the agenda?
[Zakim]
I see Team_MIT(site)10:00AM, WS_WSCG()1:00PM
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
1. Review action items [from hugo]
2. Continued co-ordiantion discussion w/ Kelvin &/or Chris re. OASIS/W3C co-ordination [from hugo]
3. Report from XML CG [from hugo]
4. Status on choreography charter proposal from WS Arch [from hugo]
[DavidF]
ACTION: Hugo open a WSAWG issue about MEP
[hugo]
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MC and JM to continue trying to find venue for Jan 2003 f2f: candidate on the West Coast
ACTION: Hugo to add the publication moratoria in the calendar
MSM to send email to tech-plenary arrangements team with coordinated response from WS and XML: done
[DavidF]
ACTION: DH MC MSM to discuss team tag to report from XML CG
[hugo]
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Zakim, close agenda 1
[Zakim]
agendum 1 closed
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
2. Continued co-ordiantion discussion w/ Kelvin &/or Chris re. OASIS/W3C co-ordination [from hugo]
[hugo]
Telcons every 2 weeks, next f2f in Dec
(Kelvin speaking)
[DavidF]
OASIS forming a Steering Committee on JOint Security to oversee all security issues in OASIS
aka SJC
[DaveH]
re action team-tag - this was a discussion regarding my inability to fully attend xml-cg meetings and micheal's coverage of the liason.
This action is done.
[DavidF]
thnx D
[hugo]
ACTION- 3
[DavidF]
SJC would be the place where W3C could liase
(from Kelvin)
KL: SJC might report to TAB, and W3C may have liason with TAB
HH: not sure about that liason
[hugo]
HH: not sure about TAB liaison. however, the WSCG may not be the closest to the SJC; xenc, dsig and XKMS would be closer IMO
[DavidF]
ACTION: Hugo to contact Joseph Reagle about liasing through SJC
[hugo]
KL: OASIS process changed; can publish something every month; more flexibility
[DavidF]
KL: OASIS in process of collecting comments on WS security specs
[hugo]
... collected on the WS-Security mailing list (public)
... should start the formalization by the end of the year, and should get something out between Dec and March
[DavidF]
KL: WS security spec = WS-Scecurity and 4 related bindings docs
[hugo]
KL: [ scribe missed something about new work]
... I have seen something about a new work about Web services and signatures: new security work
DF: it seems like OASIS has created a new security steering group; maybe, we should liaise at a higher level from now on
KL: several level. WG level will still happen
... SJC seems important
[DavidF]
KL: Phil Griffin chairs SJC
Carl Best would be a good contact as well (he is in OASIS Technology Office)
[hugo]
DF: how often such a report would work for you?
KL: around every month would work best
[DavidF]
ACTION: DF to invite Kelvin to wscg telcon in ~1 month
[hugo]
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Zakim, close agenda 2
[Zakim]
agendum 2 closed
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
3. Report from XML CG [from hugo]
[hugo]
agenda+ I18N WS task force
5. I18N WS task force
AP: I am the chair of this task force
[DavidF]
AP= Addisson Philips
AP was invited to telcon by DF to give brief overview of I18N WS TF
[hugo]
... getting started
[DavidF]
charter to be liason for ws wg's, thus removing direct contact w/ I18N WG
[hugo]
... this task force is meant to the the WS Activity direct liaison with the I18N Activity
[DavidF]
snap!
[hugo]
2 deliverables:
- set of use cases, specific to I18N
- come up with a set of requirements for the architecture
[DavidF]
... concerned that because coming in late, out of synch already
DH: why a TF for WS?
[hugo]
came up at an I18N workshop; interesting issues, and interest from people
DF: vendors today concentrate on server interactions
[DavidF]
... so why an I18N interest?
[hugo]
AP: agreed, but there are interesting issues, e.g. executing in a particular locale
[DavidF]
discussion on whether transport layer should include local (for ex.) information
s/local/locale/
[hugo]
AP: what I really am interested in is finding out who to talk to
DF: public mailing lists are a good start
DH: reviewing our recently published documents would be good too
Zakim, close agenda 5
[Zakim]
agendum 5 closed
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
3. Report from XML CG [from hugo]
[hugo]
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XML CG didn't meet
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Zakim, close agenda 3
[Zakim]
agendum 3 closed
I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
4. Status on choreography charter proposal from WS Arch [from hugo]
[hugo]
MC: went back to the WG reporting the WSCG discussions
... need to make progress on choreography framework
... WG accepted the task to guide people
... not a whole lot of progress yet
... we will drive the WG with the agenda to focus on this
DH: need to give more concrete directions
MC: got 3 companies volunteering invited experts for 6 weeks to help us out
DF: who are they?
DH: in the process of finalizing this
DF: report from W3M on behalf of MSM
... 2 actions:
- talk to the owned of BPEL and ask about bringing the spec to W3C
... behind on this
- ask authors of BPEL, WSCI, (???) (didn't hear) to do a presentation to staff to see how things relate to each other
HH: MSM did start to talk to people; in progress
DH: goal to get something published, useful to the AC
[Zakim]
WS_WSCG()1:00PM has ended
[DavidF]
DH: something is an architecture document describing how choreaography fits into WS arch
rssagent, bye
rrsagent, bye
[RRSAgent]
I see 4 open action items:
ACTION: Hugo open a WSAWG issue about MEP [1]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/10/15-ws-cg-irc#T17-10-49
ACTION: Hugo to add the publication moratoria in the calendar [2]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/10/15-ws-cg-irc#T17-12-42
ACTION: Hugo to contact Joseph Reagle about liasing through SJC [4]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/10/15-ws-cg-irc#T17-22-32
ACTION: DF to invite Kelvin to wscg telcon in ~1 month [5]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/10/15-ws-cg-irc#T17-38-22