IRC log of ws-cg on 2002-11-26

[Marsh]

Zakim, Jonathan_Marsh is Marsh

Zakim, who's on the phone?

[Zakim]

On the phone I see Fallside, Marsh, Dave_Hollander, Hugo, Michael, MikeChampion

[davidF]

agenda+ review action items

agenda+ LC comments on XMLP Att Feature doc

[Marsh]

agenda+ LC comments on WS Description Requirements

[davidF]

agenda+ XMLP re-charter (timeline issue)

agenda+ WS Choroeog update

agenda+ post-SOAP 1.2 activities in XMLP WG

action items start at http://www.w3.org/2002/10/29-ws-cg-irc#T18-09-37

ACTION: DF to invite Kelvin to next wscg telcon to report on OASIS/Securit/W3C co-ordination

ACTION: Hugo to send email to Lorrie directing her about her issue in WSArch

ACTION: DaveH to review status of description (metadata, etc) work at post-f2f CG call

agenda -

[MSM]

zakim, agenda?

[Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:

1. review action items [from davidF]

2. LC comments on XMLP Att Feature doc [from davidF]

3. LC comments on WS Description Requirements [from Marsh]

4. XMLP re-charter (timeline issue) [from davidF]

5. WS Choroeog update [from davidF]

[MSM]

zakim, close agendum 1

[Zakim]

6. post-SOAP 1.2 activities in XMLP WG [from davidF]

agendum 1 closed

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

2. LC comments on XMLP Att Feature doc [from davidF]

[Marsh]

David: XMLP FTF decided in principle to take on the task of creating a concrete attachement spec.

David: Current thinking is that they will start working on it as they have time left over from working on SOAP 1.2.

David: Currently, last agenda item is this document. If there is time left over, attachment work will begin.

David: We are not attempting to synchronize the concrete and SOAP 1.2 Rec.

David: Expect a separate Recommendation track document.

David: Believe the current charter allows this (timeline notwithstanding)

David: Sent an email to CG on this topic (31 Oct).

Hugo: WSArch made comments on Attachment feature, but not sure they have all been satisfied.

Hugo: Wants to make sure the comment about the Attachment feature isn't lost.

Mike: Chris (F?) and Dave (O?) have an action to draft a comment.

Hugo: Comment is on a usage scenario behind a firewall, SOAP message with URLs within the firewall, sent outside the firewall.

Hugo: The description of the URI resolver for all this.

s/URLs within/URLs pointing within/

David: Attachment doc is on a separate track, comments can be sent against the new doc.

Summary: Comments are welcomed on the Attachment WD. This is a separate track from the SOAP 1.2 Rec.

[davidF]

zakim, agenda?

[Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:

2. LC comments on XMLP Att Feature doc [from davidF]

3. LC comments on WS Description Requirements [from Marsh]

4. XMLP re-charter (timeline issue) [from davidF]

5. WS Choroeog update [from davidF]

6. post-SOAP 1.2 activities in XMLP WG [from davidF]

[Marsh]

agenda-

[davidF]

zakim, close agendum 2

[Zakim]

agendum 2 closed

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

3. LC comments on WS Description Requirements [from Marsh]

[Marsh]

Hugo: Has some comments, but wasn't sure everybody was fully aware of this.

[davidF]

zakim, close agendum 3

[Zakim]

agendum 3 closed

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

4. XMLP re-charter (timeline issue) [from davidF]

[Marsh]

Marsh: will make sure the last call was announced to chairs of the relevant groups.

David: Hassle to recharter every two months.

Hugo: Sorry, we were in a hurry last time, didn't think about the date carefully enough.

Hugo: Estimate Recommendation plus six months.

Hugo: When do you plan to go to Rec?

David: Gated by implementation experience currently. Probably by end of Dec we'll have the interop tests between implementation of each feature in the spec.

David: Doesn't appear to be leading to any spec changes. Lots of SOAP experience already out there, and no implementers have complained yet.

David: We're really just collecting evidence now.

David: PR in early January.

David: No outstanding issues. IPR matters have disappeared - no PAG necessary.

Marsh: Attachment spec impacts ultimate timeline?

David: Yes.

Hugo: Perhaps set it to end of July (since Aug is free anyway)?

David: What's the downside of having it too long?

Dave: Can you make it explicit that the expected date is earlier?

MSM: Yes.

[Zakim]

MSM, you wanted to ask about IPR / PAG and statements other than wM's

[Marsh]

MSM: Recollects that there was concern about webMethods (not PAG-inducing), but also some question about Microsoft disclosure.

MSM: Seeking clarification from Microsoft AC rep?

David: Appears to be a nit that is being addressed.

David: MS is aware of it.

agenda-

Hugo: Who has the ball on the rechartering?

ACTION: David to remind team contact to pursue rechartering.

zakim, agenda?

[Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:

4. XMLP re-charter (timeline issue) [from davidF]

5. WS Choroeog update [from davidF]

6. post-SOAP 1.2 activities in XMLP WG [from davidF]

[Marsh]

agenda-

zakim, agenda?

[Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:

4. XMLP re-charter (timeline issue) [from davidF]

5. WS Choroeog update [from davidF]

[MSM]

zakim, close agendum 4

[Zakim]

6. post-SOAP 1.2 activities in XMLP WG [from davidF]

agendum 4 closed

I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

5. WS Choroeog update [from davidF]

[Marsh]

Hugo: Proposal out for AC review until 12 Dec.

zakim, close agendum 5

[Zakim]

agendum 5 closed

I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

6. post-SOAP 1.2 activities in XMLP WG [from davidF]

[Marsh]

David: Brings it up periodically, with various suggestions.

David: Attachments always has come up, and is now underway.

David: No other great consensus on what features to do. Not a huge number of things mentioned anyway.

David: Clamor has died down.

DaveH: Any mention of WSA investigation in the area of extensibility framework?

DaveH: Generalizing the SOAP and WSDL extensibility mechanism. Might need some XMLP help on this.

Hugo: WSA has mentioned reliability as an area.

DaveH: Simplicity too!

Hugo: Is that shared by XMLP?

David: Reliability would require chartering a new WG. Big change of direction for WG.

David: Do you mean WSCG should reopen its thinking about the next topic?

Hugo: XMLP can make suggestions to WSA on what's next.

David: Thinks that discussion has lessened because of the existance of WSA - discussion moves there.

DaveH: How formal should the baton-passing from XMLP to WSA be?

David: OK, will bring it to XMLP WG as a discussion point.

zakim, close agendum 6

[Zakim]

agendum 6 closed

I see nothing remaining on the agenda

[Marsh]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

[Zakim]

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