IRC log of ws-cg on 2003-01-07

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[ericm]
zakim, this is WS
[Zakim]
ok, ericm
[Marsh]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
[Zakim]
On the phone I see ??P0, ??P4
WS_WSCG()1:00PM has been moved to &scratch by ericm
[ericm]
arrgg
zakim, this is WS
[Zakim]
ok, ericm
[ericm]
zakim, who is here?
[Zakim]
On the phone I see Marsh, ??P4, EMiller
On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, davidF, ericm, Marsh, hugo
I don't understand '??P4 is Mark Hadley', Marsh
[ericm]
bingo, thanks Marsh
[davidF]
s/mark/marc/
dialling
[Marsh]
Zakim, Mark_Hadley is Marc_Hadley
[ericm]
zakim, ??P6 is MikeC
clear
arrg...
[davidF]
zakim, who is here?
[Zakim]
On the phone I see Marsh, Marc_Hadley, EMiller, Hugo, MikeC, Fallside
On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, davidF, ericm, Marsh, hugo
[hugo]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2003Jan/0001.html
agenda+ Roll and minutes to be recorded in IRC
agenda+ Review agenda
agenda+ Review action items:
agenda+ Report on OASIS/Securit/W3C co-ordination (if Kelvin is able to attend)
agenda+ C14N XMLP proposal
agenda+ Reports from other CGs:
agenda+ Choreography
agenda+ XMLP WG's "post SOAP 1.2" discussions
Zakim, what is the agenda?
[Zakim]
I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:
1. Roll and minutes to be recorded in IRC [from hugo]
2. Review agenda [from hugo]
3. Review action items: [from hugo]
4. Report on OASIS/Securit/W3C co-ordination (if Kelvin is able to attend) [from hugo]
5. C14N XMLP proposal [from hugo]
6. Reports from other CGs: [from hugo]
7. Choreography [from hugo]
8. XMLP WG's "post SOAP 1.2" discussions [from hugo]
[hugo]
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Roll done:
Zakim, who is on the phone?
[Zakim]
On the phone I see Marsh, Marc_Hadley, EMiller, Hugo, MikeC, Fallside
[hugo]
Zakim, close agenda 1
[Zakim]
agendum 1 closed
I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
2. Review agenda [from hugo]
[hugo]
Zakim, close agenda 2
[Zakim]
agendum 2 closed
I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
3. Review action items: [from hugo]
[hugo]
ACTION: DF to invite Kelvin to next wscg telcon to report on OASIS/Securit/W3C co-ordination. [CONTINUED]
ACTION: DaveH to review status of description (metadata, etc) work at post-f2f CG call (note: try and schedule a joint session with RDF folks at TP) [PENDING]
DONE: Hugo to notify WSCG to put SWCG report on the agenda on a regular basis
DONE: Hugo to make sure that capitalization is taken into account in the glossary
HH: Web services capitalized as such
JM: Desc likely to adopt this
DONE: Hugo to put http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Dec/0003.html back on the agenda next time
DONE: JM to send mail to both groups to get an answer fast
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Zakim, close agendum 4
[Zakim]
agendum 4 closed
I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
3. Review action items: [from hugo]
[hugo]
Kelvin not around
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Zakim, close agendum 5
[Zakim]
agendum 5 closed
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
3. Review action items: [from hugo]
[hugo]
Discussing http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2003Jan/0000.html
[davidF]
problem statement for C14N .....
SOAP intermediaries allowed to change lexical form of SOAP msgs, reason to reduce constraints on intermediaires
problem of course is that modifications torpedo digsig integrity
c14n proposal permits legal intermediaries' activities while preserving info needed by dsig
c14n proposal comes from marc hadley (sun) and martin gudgin (microsoft)
JM is concerned about proliferation of c14n algorithmn's
[Marsh]
JM suggests looking into this as a transformation (composable with c14n) rather than an extended canonicalization algrotihm.
[hugo]
Summary: obvious thing for XMLPWG to do
... however, there may be other similar situations
ACTION: Hugo to check XMLPWG renewal status
[davidF]
ACTION: hugo to check status of xmlp charter and ensure it is renewed w/ an appropriate date
[hugo]
ACTION- 3
[davidF]
discussion about whether XMLP should take on the C14N work or publish it as a Note or something else
re. WSCG recommendation to XMLP WG about C14N
[ericm]
davidF, heads-up on semantic web work... we're (hoping) to go to Last Call in the next week or two. current;y I have XMLP down as one of the liason groups for review so if you could mention this in your next working group and if possible id some people that may be interested in reviewing rdfcore's work, that would be great
[davidF]
we = RDF COre
[Zakim]
WS_WSCG()1:00PM has ended
[davidF]
(C14N continued) .... XMLP WG should consider publishing the C14N spec as a Note, should also consider liasing with other WGs before publication if at all possible (e.g. DSig). The majority of WSCG is concerned about XMLP WG taking on C14N under its current charter because it is not in the current charter and deserves wider (e.g. AC) consideration.
.... anything else?
thnx for the confirmation
i think we can dismiss the agents now
zakim, bye
rrsagent, bye
[RRSAgent]
I see 3 open action items:
ACTION: DF to invite Kelvin to next wscg telcon to report on OASIS/Securit/W3C co-ordination. [CONTINUED] [1]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/01/07-ws-cg-irc#T18-09-59
ACTION: DaveH to review status of description (metadata, etc) work at post-f2f CG call (note: try and schedule a joint session with RDF folks at TP) [PENDING] [2]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/01/07-ws-cg-irc#T18-10-27
ACTION: hugo to check status of xmlp charter and ensure it is renewed w/ an appropriate date [4]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/01/07-ws-cg-irc#T18-45-41