IRC log of ws-cg on 2003-02-18

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[hugo]
Zakim, this is WS
[Zakim]
sorry, hugo, I do not see a conference named 'WS'
[hugo]
Zakim, this will be WS
[Zakim]
ok, hugo
WS_WSCG()1:00PM has now started
[DavidF]
dialling
[hugo]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2003Feb/0007.html
agenda+ Roll and minutes to be recorded in IRC
agenda+ Review agenda
agenda+ Review action items
agenda+ WSA/WSDM liason status
agenda+ Reports from other CGs
agenda+ Web Services Glossary.
agenda+ XMLP WG's "post SOAP 1.2" work discussion
agenda+ WSIG
Previous minutes: http://www.w3.org/2003/02/04-ws-cg-irc.html
RRSAgent, where am I?
[RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2003/02/18-ws-cg-irc#T18-06-24
[DavidF]
em ru going to phone in?
[hugo]
Zakim, agenda?
[Zakim]
I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:
1. Roll and minutes to be recorded in IRC [from hugo]
2. Review agenda [from hugo]
3. Review action items [from hugo]
4. WSA/WSDM liason status [from hugo]
5. Reports from other CGs [from hugo]
6. Web Services Glossary. [from hugo]
7. XMLP WG's "post SOAP 1.2" work discussion [from hugo]
8. WSIG [from hugo]
[hugo]
Zakim, close agendum 1
[Zakim]
agendum 1 closed
I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
2. Review agenda [from hugo]
[hugo]
Zakim, close agendum 2
[Zakim]
agendum 2 closed
I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
3. Review action items [from hugo]
[hugo]
ACTION: WS WG chairs to poll their members for input to Schema on subset idea [IN PROGRESS]
ACTION: WS WG chairs to poll their members for input to XML Core on subset idea [IN PROGRESS]
Discussing: DavidF to draft Q re. TAG's involvment, he to roll in feedback by end of week before sending
DF: TAG is working pretty much internally, and it is hard to characterize the situation
... it is premature to send an email saying that the TAG isn't talking much with people since it doesn't seem true, actually
... I think we should remove this action, and maybe revisit later
DROPPED
Zakim, close agendum 3
[Zakim]
agendum 3 closed
I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
4. WSA/WSDM liason status [from hugo]
[hugo]
HH: Simple, process-wise
DF: do we need to approve?
... I will forward Hugo's email to the admin list to show progress
Zakim, close agendum 4
[Zakim]
agendum 4 closed
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
5. Reports from other CGs [from hugo]
[DavidF]
df has forwarded hugo's mail
[hugo]
Zakim, close agendum 5
[Zakim]
agendum 5 closed
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
6. Web Services Glossary. [from hugo]
[hugo]
Zakim, take up agendum 8
[Zakim]
agendum 8. "WSIG" taken up [from hugo]
[hugo]
Hugo summarizes the situation
CG would like to see more traffic on www-ws before putting a formal structure around it
[DavidF]
action: hugo to draft IG motivation email for use by WS WG chairs
action: WS WG chairs to informa members of upcoming IG BOF meeting during All Group week
s/informa/inform/
[hugo]
Zakim, close agendum 8
[Zakim]
agendum 8 closed
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
6. Web Services Glossary. [from hugo]
[hugo]
Zakim, take up agendum 7
[Zakim]
agendum 7. "XMLP WG's "post SOAP 1.2" work discussion" taken up [from hugo]
[hugo]
DF: Last week, the WG had an extended telcon about CR status
... discussions about rechartering the WG
... no consensus in the WG about what should happen next
... 1. smaller scope: errata + any item that would: (1) be highly desired (2) not be able to be done without breaking ??? (scribe missed that)
... 2. new technologies:
... 2a. reliability, new MEPs, new bindings, ...
... 2b. message id, and other core aspects
HH: we need to deal with the errata
DF: everybody agreed on that
MC: did people express ideas about simple routing or other extensions mentioned?
DF: it wasn't discussed
Zakim, close agendum 7
[Zakim]
agendum 7 closed
I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
6. Web Services Glossary. [from hugo]
[hugo]
DF: last time, we agreed that a grand merge wasn't the way to go forward
... suppose that we have 3 different glossaries
... we could try and converge to the same definition
[Zakim]
Em, you wanted to acknowlegde http://www.w3.org/2003/03/TechPlenAgenda.html and see if the group is aware of this
[hugo]
... or we could just say that we are talking about different variations of them, and have an uber-glossary listing the different flavors
EM: the TP has a session about glossary
... discuss how to deal with such problems
MC: is this a semantic Web project?
EM: yes, it is
... requirements will be driven by groups that need it
[em]
zakim, who is on the phone?
[Zakim]
On the phone I see Hugo, Fallside, Michael, EMiller, ??P6
[hugo]
HH: I will be talking about the Web Services Glossary at the TP
MSM: structure: arbitrary recorded XML data
scribe didn't get MSM's first point
DF: I think that a simple document pointing to the different defininiotns are is enough for now
... it's not clear how tools will solve this
Tuesday 4 March telcon postponed
Try to meet at the TP on Wednesday 5
[Zakim]
WS_WSCG()1:00PM has ended
[hugo]
Zakim, please excuse us
RRSAgent, please excuse us
[RRSAgent]
I see 4 open action items:
ACTION: WS WG chairs to poll their members for input to Schema on subset idea [IN PROGRESS] [1]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/02/18-ws-cg-irc#T18-11-19
ACTION: WS WG chairs to poll their members for input to XML Core on subset idea [IN PROGRESS] [2]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/02/18-ws-cg-irc#T18-11-46
ACTION: hugo to draft IG motivation email for use by WS WG chairs [3]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/02/18-ws-cg-irc#T18-40-41
ACTION: WS WG chairs to informa members of upcoming IG BOF meeting during All Group week [4]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/02/18-ws-cg-irc#T18-41-09
[DavidF]
... and move forward (possibly w/ tools) based on feedback from the document